pbs, the most trusted network in news, and this can only mean one thing. a republican landslide in a couple years. i mean, it's just so -- >> it's not funny because in reality, that is the only thing that moves the dime. in desperate times, you know, creates this. you are absolutely right. >> donny, that is a great point. as you go back and you read history and you see what happened, because there's always this back and forth. it takes a gun to the head of the established interests, the republican consultants that have taken over this party in washington, d.c. it takes that sort of thing just like democrats. you lose 49 states to ronald reagan, you know what? steve, and you were part of it, you lose 49 states to ronald reagan, that's when democrats get together and say, okay, how do we fix this party? >> absolutely. but remember, it also took the democrats 12 years to fix the party after the 1980 election. they lost 1980, '84, '88 and finally in '92 they came back, partly because of exactly what you're referring to, which is bill clinton pulling together t